Welcome to the 411 on sugar dating.

Welcome, You may be new to sugar dating or be a sugar baby or sugar daddy/momma for quite sometime. This blog will focus on all the things you need to know to make your experience in the Sugar World a safe and pleasurable one.

If you are new to the world of sugar arrangements, take the time to ask yourself a few questions.. gain an understanding of what a sugar arrangement is all about and have fun.

Friday, November 12, 2010

First Few Meetings 411

Sugars beware!  I have told you how important screening and safety is but I would like to share a real life scenario with you to help you understand that when you go to a meet for the first time the work you did on screening and safety can come into play.  

Dislaimer:  The names have been changed to protect those involved except mine.  I am the victim in this and have police reports and court documents to back up everything I say and will be happy to share if you contact me through email link under certain conditions.

My first journey into the online world of sugar dating brought me to three websites which I placed my profile and at first I was hammered with replies to it.  I did not understand how different searching online was and I was a sucker for a message that so echoed most everything I had put in my profile.  After just a couple messages I gave this Pot. by personal email that was connected to my internet service provider which was a mistake.  Using a web based email is better and it gave him my full name that was connected to my profile for my ISP along with my address.  A few emails later and we graduated to phone calls.   I had never seen a picture of him at this point and he told me he needed to do this to protect his identity and I just naively trusted he was telling me the truth.  He agreed to come to my town for the first meet which is so important in terms of safety and when he asked me where he should stay I referred him to a suites hotel that I was a personal friend of the manager.  She was one of three people who were my safety net and actually knew I was meeting him.  They did not all agree with my choice to go back into the sugar world but supported me in my decision as friends because it is my choice to make.
I had been talking to another SD as well and got caught up in sharing that I was meeting this Pot.. as the time came for me to go to meet him I broke a cardinal rule.. I agreed to meet him in his suite but felt it was okay because of my safety net.  That night was difficult for me, I did not know that he had people with him that were in the connecting suite next door or that he was not even who he claimed to be.  The end result is that I ended up having dinner in his suite and the bitter tasting diet coke I swallowed was actually laced with a roofie.  Yes you are reading correctly and I suffered dearly for these mistakes.. was raped and I say this because I could not move or fight them off.. and when it was over I had very little memory except bruises and guilt and shame. 

My safety net got suspicious and my manager friend had security go up and they opened the door to find me confused and dazed with not much memory of what happened.. they did the right things by contacting the police, getting me to the hospital.  Now that memory is a distant one but it took hard work to get over and for a while I had to struggle with my choices and who I was.  After the court proceedings were finished I moved on and made the decision to not let this affect me and today lead a very happy healthy life with no more flash backs.  Two of those three men were convicted and those convictions stood up under appeal and the third accepted a plea agreement that was later overturned due to sloppy police work. At first I was ashamed of why I was there and how I met the person .. then I learned that this could have happened in real life situations where you meet the guy in the bar and go to his place.  In the end I learned how important safety was as I am the lucky one.. oh yes because I at least had a safety net in place.. there were people who knew where I was, had an arranged time to contact them and when they did not hear from me and could not get a response from me they set into motion. 

So learn from my example.. do not meet in a private place!
Never go to his home or invite him to yours in the beginning.
Do not give out your address or information that can bring him to your house at first.
Make the first couple meetings about getting to know him better.
Always meet in a public place that is well lit and has people around.. such as a restaurant , lounge, museum etc.
Arrive early and park where your car is not noticeable to him.
Pay attention to his arrival and make a note of his car, how he is dressed how he carries himself.
Watch his body language as he talks to you.
Pay attention to signs that tells you if he is connected in the conversation, does he show that he is interested in what you say?
Does he ask questions that tells you he is wanting to learn more about you?
Avoid sex talk on the first meet.
Never go to his home or hotel on a first meet.

Second meet: If you are still comfortable with him and he is not evoking red flags that tell you he is phony take this opportunity to learn more about his previous arrangements.  If he is new to the sugar world ask him about his expectations for a sugar arrangement.  This is a good time to learn if each of your expectations are clear to each other and if you are on the same page.

There are various types of arrangements: gift arrangements, allowance based, travel only based, shopping based trip, and a combination.  When he brings up an amount he is committing to invest in this arrangement you need to clarify exactly what he means by that amount.  Much confusion at times takes place as there are some who think I spend X amount of dollars on dinner, X amount on hotel, X amount on transportation, I bring her a gift that cost X dollars.  So they add that up deduct it from what they are willing to invest and your allowance is the balance of what is left.  Not all SD's are like this but this does happen.

Some will come thinking they are talking allowance when in truth they are talking about Pay for Play (P4P). This style is where basically a connection often does not matter, they are not invested in you as a person and just want to play and pay for it.  Sometimes just meeting once or twice and moving on, often setting a 3 to 5 hundred dollar range on their expectations.  Some people will argue this is prostitution or even more a escort style of arrangement that is very temporary.  It is not for me to judge but I avoid these simply because it is not for me. 

It is up to us to clarify what we are looking for and speaking out and saying I am sorry but our expectation and needs just do not match but I wish you well in your search.  When confusion arises over an agreement it is often because both parties have not spelled it out and that does not constitute that either side is fake.  So what do you need to clarify when you have reached the point that both of you agree you want an arrangement?

Duration of arrangement.. you need to know if this is based on a month to month agreement or if you both agree to a trial basis of x amount of months.
Exactly how much assistance is he giving in terms of allowance dolllars, gift dollars, travel dollars, etc. 
How often you will meet.
Where you will meet.
How will you receive the financial assistance.
Please note: that the assistance should always come at beginning of arrangement or a determined portioned if you both agree that way.  This develops the start of trust and faith in an arrangement and you should by this time know his expectations as well.  If he expects sugar right away before you enter that arrangement you need to know this and know if this is comfortable for you.  Never assume you are on the same page, talk to him and make sure you are. 
In part 2 I will get more in-depth on the talk and ways to lead up to it.

7 comments:

  1. OMG! I know this happened to you awhile ago, but I am ever so sorry for your unfortunate (to say the least) encounter with this asshole :( ...but glad you had a safety net and are still around to tell the tale
    Hugs ♥

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  2. Hi Butterfly Sugar:

    I was not aware anyone could view this blog yet.. I am trying to get guidelines up to help the new sugars to not those mistakes that compromise their safety. Yes it happened and I sugar coat it to not get into graphic details.. but it is hard to get past and took me a while. It can happen to anyone and this is why we need to share our experiences and help others understand how screening, safety and those first few meetings with a Pot are so important to avoid what I went through.

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  3. Thank you for this blog.
    So sorry to hear what happened to you but happy you lived to tell the tale and warn others.
    Am seriously considering using the internet as one way of finding a SD and this post has been good to read to remember all the little things that one soon forgets when tempted with all the glitz and glam.
    Am looking forward to reading more!

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  4. Hello O,
    Thanks for stopping by.. and if you are going to search my internet I highly recommend seeking arrangements website. If you learn how to screen and practice safety you will be well on your way. I will be covering more information topics shortly and I am glad you found it helpful.

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  5. Sugarlane:

    Nice work, I know your still working on it and saw a post regarding contributions.. do you want a SD viewpoint on anything. Maybe if those curious to the sugar bowl would read these topics there would be less fake sugars.

    @ all
    I met a pot over the weekend, been conversing for couple weeks through email and phone. She said she is new to this, so thought I would show my gentlemanly spirit and take things slow. First meeting on Thursday was for a couple hours over drinks and dinner, thought she was sweet, dressed appropriately and seemed to know how to act. Saturday was a whole different story, again we met at a prearranged meeting place and as the dinner progressed we discussed expectations for the arrangement and she shared that she was in desperate need of cash. I gave her 1K with no strings attached so she could take care of rent and other bills without reaching an agreement. I want to get to know her a little better first. Yesterday she called me at my business 6 times in less than 2 hours.. telling me her car broke down and she wants me to buy her a car. There is a difference between a sucker and a genuine SD.. I will help once sometimes with no strings but this action clearly shows a player which is not a true SB. Even men get played at times which is why when a genuine person comes along it is often hard to recognize them through the smoldering bs left by all the fakes. Shovel please and Next in line.

    Just want to give some food for thought to the other side of the coin. The opposite of SB is BS- he he he. Big bear hugs to you Sugarlane, keep up the good work.

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  6. @lognc9: Ouch you are a bad example to others. It is natural to discuss needs or even to mention difficulties one is having but you are going to have every charity case in a 200 mile radius contacting you. Look I have known you many years and I know your generous spirit.. but you did not even take the time to get to know her as a person which frankly is a mistake I have seen you make before.. you know this.. I am sending more details to your email privately but want to address this here as well since you posted it so openly. First of all why would you give so much information to a new pot especially a newbie. Oh you were played alright and if you give someone personal phone numbers you can expect for them to use them. It is the repercussions I am more concerned about as this can continue and you give her more money to make her stop. That is not a SB and it is simply a very manipulative female who is using the sugar bowl to score fast cash.. first I know which site you met her through so report her even though there is nothing they can do about it. Second block her emails.. you can not change your corp. phone numbers but can change your personal.. and ignore her. Take more time in the future to really get to know the behaviors and habits of a pot and if necessary do a background check.. although not all of them will show up anything but you can afford to do this and should.
    To everyone: this is exactly what I mean by the flip side.. stuff happens and even if it is not right there is no point to the stupid drama that comes from someone conning. Maybe you need me to sort through your contacts log as I suspect 99 percent of them are pretty much the same .. you need to change what you search for and shoot for quality instead of the extra beautiful face.. attractive should be good enough for you when the inside is drop dead amazing and that would be my point. Hugs to you.. we need to get together for dinner again so I can give you a good lecture..smiles..

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  7. log: Sorry you went through this.. you know it happens you have been in the sugar bowl for some time.. you need to practice what you preach and screen more carefully and not be putting yourself in those situations. Never give a pot your work phone number.. what is that??? crazy if you ask me. Sending you more detailed email but thanks for sharing so others see the flip side of the equation and why it is so easy to get jaded. hugs to you.. and yes I would love help and something just up your alley... financial.. send me a 411 on all things a newbie needs to know including tax stuff. Thanks.. as always you are a dear friend..hugs.

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